Part 1 : Rock Magnets | Part 2: Conspiracy | Part 3: Reverse Engineering

I noticed that to work for the CIA or the National Security Agency, it says that they require a 3.0 or higher, is this strictly enforced?

To work in what capacity? Do they require that of their janitors?

I mean for like a computer science internship over the summer

and what kind of background check do they perform on you and your family?

and friends

quite a bit of background check

and they expect you to be the best - ie:if you aren't - don't bother

You said, "it says that they require..."
Who says?

As far as the background check, it depends on what kind of security clearance you need for the internship. Level 0, which is the minimal kind that they require to work in a building where there is sensitive material, has only a small background check. Employers and that's about it. But above that I don't know 'cause I've only got level 0.

I was hoping that if I worked for them I can find out more about the UFO coverup that they are possibly doing, but of course just because you work for the CIA or NSA doesn't mean you know about every secret project they are working on, only certain people are assigned to certain projects

if you're gullible enough to belive that there is a UFO coverup - then they're never going to hire you

yeh, whatever

you just keep thinking it aint possible

You'll never find out. Sorry.

Whatever security clearance you have, everything in the CIA or NSA is extremely compartmentalized. Only those near the top have enough clearance to see stuff they ask about.

it seems that you are afraid to believe it is going on

I'm not afraid - but I've seen much of the evidence - and it's complete bullshit

What UFO coverup? There are plenty of UFO's around. I've seen them. Everybody knows they exist so what's the coverup?

I want to camp out at Area 51 in Nevada to see what type of things they fly around there,

and what evidence did you listen to or see in order to conclude that ..

Nevada - nothing of interest

check the aviation magazines for a current listing of which aircraft have been sited where (and what they're hiding where :)

the things fling around in the desert are probably the new Aurora spy plane the bomber version of the sr71 (stealthed Natch)

Oh, by the way, UFO stands for Unidentified Flying Object.

For those of you with minimal brain power, if you can tell what it is (i.e. balloon, plane, flying saucer with little green men in it, etc) then it is no longer unidentified.

well I have to label it UFO's for all you that don't believe I don't think they are UFO's

Meaning that UFO coverup is a contradiction in terms suitable for tabloids.

Then what are they?

(don't know - I'm still trying to parse half his sentences)

I am well aware of the Aurora project they are supposedly worked on, where it can go like Mach 6 or something, but that can't explain the objects flying around there that go to unbelievable speeds and then all of a sudden change direction, I doubt the Aurora has the technology to do those amazing stunts

probably not.
its probably a hallucinagenic nerve gas made by the CIA. remember all those giant yellow flying saucers a couple of months ago.

If you think that the CIA can pull off something as big as a "UFO Coverup" then you are assuming a level of technology available to the US government that is plenty high. Higher than that necessary to design and build an aircraft that can go unbelievable (to those with small minds) speeds and then all of a sudden (to human perception anyway) change direction.

Oh yeah...and it seemed like the world ended and everything. right. Hyperspatial bypass.

CIA UFO coverup - is also assuming that the CIA is organized enough and bright enought to pull off something like that

They're not

Trust me

why do you keep saying "small minds", what is your point?

trust you, why? are you one of those assigned to this CIA project?

I've said it once, when did you learn to count? Last week?

I am a bit cautious about what the CIA can or cannot do they've pulled some real boners in the past but also a few things which

I believe his point went in one of your ears, out the other, and completely missed any grey matter.

it is not just the CIA pal, it is the NSA and a couple other huge organizations

If he was assigned to any CIA project, why would you trust him?

hey, mr. zephyr king, fuck you

WHICH other huge organizations? You're being awfully bague.

vague I mean

tha mafia of course

oh, the NSA is a small organization? What, are you a moron!?

The CIA _themselves_ has rarely pulled off anything that worked.

They are mostly in intelligence gathering. As is the NSA.

There are other groups that use that information to get something done.

Zephyr King. Right.

When did I say the NSA was a small organization?
You said the CIA, NSA, and a couple other huge organizations.

WHICH other huge organizations?

hey, just because a tabloid mentions something, it doesn't mean that something is bullshit just because it is in a tabloid

I don't remember off hand, it was in this book I read a while back

you are telling me that everything in the tabloids is not true or didn't happen?

The Illuminatus Trilogy?

maybe some branch of the military excutes the operations
maybe the CIA just pays people to do it. oraganized crime.

a good percentage is b.s., but not everything

No it doesn't. But tabloids are couched for those with extremely low intelligence levels. Much of what they print has logical contradictions in it that require irrational minds to believe them (for once I'm not aiming this at you) which, to me, kills the tabloids credibility.

of course they taking something that could be true, and make a spoof on it or some kind of joke

You're right, it IS hard to parse his sentences.

like the KGB?

look, I am not saying that I get my information from the tabloids. It just happens to be a topic that tabloids cover, but the way they cover it is not the same as the books that I have read

Which books.

Lets see if he can get this one, he had no idea what the other couple of organizations were.

like, Out There by Howard Blum,

And what did Howard Blum say?

I'd say he is a good source, he used to be a New York Times reporter

The Illuminatus Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson Schroedinger's Cat by ""

why don't you read the book and find out, mr. big brain

interesting that you like Star Trek, and don't believe that any of this is possible

Oh, I believe it's _possible_, but I haven't seen any credible evidence

Don't have time to do that and remain in the discussion.

When did you assume that I think I have a large brain? I've just been putting you down. Ah, I see you fingered me. If you'll finger my account more often you'll see that it's plan files, which change every time I log in or out,tend to spoof Star Trek a lot.

Besides, Star Trek was a really cool show. I believe it was fictional too, or didn't you know that?

there is plenty of credible evidence out there, you just havened checked it out, I can give you a list of books to read tomarrow, can't remember off-hand, and you can check ftp ftp.nevada.edu for some ufo related information, and pictures are also at ftp phoenix.oulu.fi

fictional, but based on a lot of theories that are discussed in the scientific world now, so they just don't show some random things, it is a very intelligently produced show.

wrong - I did check it out a few years back

I read several of the books looked at the photographs read the eyewitness reports etc.

they're either full of (or stupider than) shit

Explain to me something. HOW would the CIA, NSA, and a couple other huge organizations, coverup UFOs?

(based on a lot of theoretical physics)

well obviously they are not doing a perfect job since we are discussing it

some stuff obviously gets leaked out, it is human nature

oh, it's quite possible that any large organization could cover up fiarly large events.

But, that is assuming a LOT of organization and a LOT of resources over a LONG period of time.

CIA, NSA, KGB, DIA - they ain't got it

I think the Roswell UFO crash I think in 1947 is one of the best evidence so far of not only UFO's and aliens existing and visiting our planet, but evidence of a government coverup

No no no no....I don't care if it's possible.

Tell me how. In other words,give me an example of what might have happened and how they might be covering up. I think it unlikely that you could give me a plausible example of alien contact that could be covered up like that.

BTW - aw2s - is english your native language? I didn't think so.

the documents were released by the freedom of information act that you can read if you go to the washington national archives, and it is also in some books like Howard Blum's

What happened in the Roswell UFO crash?

Wasw that the one in Siberia?

no, Roswell, New Mexico

siberia was 1919 or so and was confirmed to be wa meteor.

like I said, read some books, there is a lot of evidence I just can't cover right now

well the Roswell one was confirmed and is in writing by government agents as a UFO crash with dead alien bodies recovered

(flying saucer, whatever)

So, why haven't copies of these documents been published?

Oh. Ok. Why is this so unknown? Why hasn't Carl Sagan gone crazy over this event?

they have been published

Where.

Where?

he actually is getting more and more involved with things like the face on Mars and other related topics

Strange... he was here a few weeks ago.
Someone asked him about that and he laughed.

The face on Mars. I believe he coauthored a paper that discussed how random events can seem easily recognizable by our pattern-seeking brains.

Meaning he laughs at people who take it seriously.

the documents like I've are in the Washington National Archives availble to the public by the freedom of information act. They should be in the ftp site and Out There by Howard Blum has copies of them in the back of the book

What ftp site?

well, I could give 2 shits what Carl Seagan says about that,

ftp.nevada.edu

if they are freely accessible, then they are freely publishable

I haven't seen them.

Also, there's plenty of fiction out on the net - I want to see real documents

Carl Sagan's main focus is extraterrestrial life, I am very surprised that he isn't jumping for joy at this "credible evidence."

there is a very good book called the Monuments of Mars, around 400 pages very interesting, I suggest you read it before saying anything more about the face on mars

And so all those faces I see in clouds are also evidence of alien intelligence.

what do you want him to do, go on natinoal television and say what he really believes, and have people ridicule his beliefs?

No no, the faces in clouds aren't aliens - those are angels

sorry it is

ftp.rutgers.edu

YEs

oh, then that means he doesn't believe? My god, are you people that idiotic?

You know, this guy hasn't done anything but quote sources.

As for Sagan, he's a scientist. If he has credible evidence, then he will publish.

My god - are you _really_ that gullible?

I was referring to you, foolishness.

Uh, yeah, everything at ftp.rutgers.edu is to be believed. Like the Krill papers and aliens.silly...

if you read the book you will find out plenty of credible sources and information

like I said before, I don't believe everything that is there and published

Why do you believe any of it?

ok, since you are that anal, why don't you go to Washington D.C. yourself and see for yourself .

that these documents exist

Answer the question.

what was the question

Why do you believe any of it?

when I get time - I just might look them up

what is it, the documents at the archive?

the ftp site.

have YOU seen the documents yourself?

*sigh*....I've seen most of the stuff on rutgers.edu a long time ago. Nothing at all was really convincing, most of the documents I've read had FAR too many inconsistencies, contradictions, and lack of evidence.

have a ball, while you are there, check out the Fifth Column,

hey, I didn't say to check out everything there, I don't believe everything there, but the roswell documents are real

He's still not answering the question.

and he has not listed one piece of evidence that doesn't require a literature search.

Of course, I believe in extra terrestrials more than I believe in Washington D.C.

yes, but I can't say I believe 100%

There Is No Conspiracy

things in writing are not always true, of course, that is a typical argument, but that doesn't mean it is not worth pursuing

dude - I suspect that you have been suckered by yet another net.joke

Again, I've seen far too many different accounts of the Roswell incident to believe anything. SOMETHING probably happened, but the shovels to cut through the governmental bullshit do not exist. They just don't make them that large.

forget conspiracy, do you guys believe that aliens have visited this planet at least once?

There F is N no O ConsRpiracy D

You guys have GOT to check out message,discuss,* it's hilarious.

i punted it.

I believe that something may have been able to.

Give me proof. I see no conclusive proof.

oh no, not alien andrew again
someone send me a log file in the mail, i save these things and forward them to tim pierce

sure, if you say so, then it must be true, mr. 007's

It's possible. I don't BELIEVE anything.

send 'em to John_-_Winton. He'd enjoy them a lot.

if you don't believe now, by the year 2000 you will

Man, I logged in around 2:00 today and aw2s was talking about aliens on discuss then. Has he been at it all day?

pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis<ar2w>

Well, he started, let me see...19:55 today.

it is not that I don't have any evidence, I just don't have the time right now to show you why I believe it to be true, it would take many hours

he used to get drunk and hit on my girlfriend and talk about aliens all the time last year, and we'd have to carry him back to his room. i swear, when i finally snap, he's high on the list of "people not in bureaucratic institutions"

who's got a log file, dammit!

For a laugh this good - I've got time

Does anyone have a logfile of this they can send me?

I should be studying for psychology but me too.

I am just saying for now that you shouldn't have such a narrow, provincial view about what goes on in this world, there is more going on than you think

I'm not disputing that YOU believe it. Yes, I believe in aliens.

Aliens on earth is another story. The stars aren't right.

well I don't have the time, I have a Computer Graphics program due tomarrow

oh those conveeenient cs assignments
allways seeming to pop up at the wrong time

Narrow mind? It is a narrow view of things that allows you to believe what you do. The evidence you cite has a hell of a lot of contradictions inherent to it that you have closed your mind to. You are blind and believe what you wish to believe.

oh, just because you don't think they can travel such distances based on physics books, then it is not possible?! That is really narrow-minded

No, but why would they WANT to come here? Let's face it, we haven't been "broadcasting" our existence for all that long.

considering the graphics course - the assignment shouldn't take you more than 30 minutes

(like I said before, it is possible that they have interacted or help started our evolution or are a part of it, or maybe we have feelings and emotions that they don't have and are curious about that part of our existence, or it could be something spiritual (if you believe we are more than just atoms)

He said that, not me. That's only one of the reasons. Such distances CAN be travelled but they would never have known we were here.

we have only been radiating any kind of energy strong enough to get that far for 50 years.

They haven't had enough time since first detection to get here even if they started immediately.

Oh, started our evolution. That argument. This man's been reading too much 2061 or whatever the name of that book is.

do you have proof to show that our evolution has not been messed around with?

Actually I think it was mentioned in the first book now that I think of it.

if you don't, then it still remains a possibility

Do you have proof that it was messed around with?

You have fallen into a slightly logical trap here, BD.

The burdin of proof lies upon you because I never said that I believed it was not POSSIBLE. It is, however, extremely unlikely.

No the first book left the purpose of the monolith kind of vague

You asked if I believed we had ever had aliens land on the planet at least once. I have seen no evidence but that doesn't mean there isn't any.

Now you want me to PROVE that there isn't any? You're drunk or stoned or something, pal.

possibly, from how the alien creatures have been described, very similar feautures to us, and from accounts of abductees, etc., that is not hard evidence, but it is possible evidence

also, have you ever heard of the Grandaddy theory?

yeh, I must be, mr. logic

that if your grandad is insane, you're a fucking loon?

You mean the question about if you could go back in time and shoot your grandaddy then you get erased out of the picture you're holding while you're playing "Go, Johnny, Go?"

since you don't have any hard evidence and I don't about evolution, then it still remains a mystery? If you don't believe that, I suggest you take a course in logic

what's wrong with logic?

Nothing, when logic makes sense.

As if you have and passed.

huh?

yes I have taken a course in logic, and got an A

You must have contained yourself.

no, the Granddaddy theory was presented in the first Star Trek

Can you prove that *I* have not messed around with humanity's DNA at some point in the past? It's unlikely (but less so if you know me) but still POSSIBLE

SUCH credibility there!

is this the "grandaddy" theory, or the "your mom" theory? which is which? i can never remember...

well, you can't use logic on everything

what is it with you and your sig?

Oh, ok. Like what can't you use it on?

What's with *your* sig?

The font is fucking annoying...

Who's? Mine is random...

Besides matters of emotion anyway.

like proving God exists, you will end up in some viscious cycle or useless argument, you can't prove it using logic

It can't be proved, period.

Which is why you can't prove it using logic.

hi

but there is a way to break that viscious cycle in the alien argument with bits of evidence here and there that are slowly being leaked out

well, just because you can't prove something using logic doesn't mean the argument isn't worth pursuing until you can prove it eventually

like the evidence for God that slowly leaks out, such as the Bible and miracles, and all those other writings and legends

i'd have to give the credit to andrew here, he's got the logic point down, one's logic is only as good as the assumptions you base it on. which is not to say that his argument is bogus, just that logic often has little to do with real life

the urge to stylestrip is almost unbearable...

prove that you exist

Until I see a real live UFO in person, with no doubts that it's a low-flying plane or some hallucination, and it's not on TV because it can be faked, you still have to prove it to me.

What are you responding to?

Bah, that made no sense. But I don't really take too much of this "evidence" as being reputable.

let's not get into religion, I believe aliens and UFO's can explain most religions (but that doesn't mean I don't believe in God)

i see you actually get to work in baker today...cool...

JHVH-1 is God and an alien.

that religious evidence all bullshit

He does NOT have this logic thing down.

True, logic is only as good as your assumptions but you should have seen the contradictory things he was putting out before.

Damn. Do I keep reading this or do I go play Wiz War?

for the person who mentioned my mother, grow up, I know it is hard for you

i'm not saying previous argument is not bogosity, just that that one particular point is valid.

How do you know? It is thought to be much more credible than the evidence you cite.

Ok, that's true then.

fuck wizwar, it's a ploy by the pinks to seduce you to playing magic again

Play Magic!!!

let's just wait a couple more years and we'll see what happens since I can't change your minds

Your sig I mean.

Geoff Spear, you fail to grasp tai-quan-leap, approach so that you may learn.

(let's say the year 2000)

How do you randomize it like that?

bite me.

What happens then?

Made an alias....there's a program recho in my /bin (got from someone else)

Munch.

I'd look into it but my account is soon to be deleted.

i almost wish i were on a DEC

;want my shift?

:-)

you mean I have to wait 7 years before I can publicly laugh at you?

I seriously wish I was..this is getting annoying.
I can't reply as fast as I'd like.

Why a DEC?

Anyway, it's pretty lame.....I just append a random signature to my .zephyr.vars file and then zwrite.

I'm not a ccon.

Okay, lets say, for the sake of argument, everything's going to happen on July 8, 1996, at 5:23 am greenwich mean time...
What exactly is going to happen?
And how can I be $aved?

Ahh, the information overload thing when doing zephyr on a unix server.

Heh heh heh.

the Grandaddy theory is something like there is one biological creature in the universe and this species spread their DNA seed on planets that could sustain life throughout the universe, and that is why most creatures on star trek look alike (i.e., have a head, eyes, ears, body, arms, legs, symmetry,...)

cuz i

send $19.95 to ch4g@andrew..

That's so they could get away with using human actors

Aliens just gave me information about you that is REALLY funny. They're laughing at you.

no, that is a plausible explanation

Um, no, it's not. The timing is wrong.

what do you mean how can I be saved?
Do you think I am trying to get you to believe in a religion!?

aliens/ufo's is not a religion, so please don't categorize it like that

If you assume immortality then you can assume travel of any distance as far as a few billion light years but it still takes a hell of a lot of time..too long...the universe isn't old enough.

Yeah, environmental differences meant nothing on all those planets. The fact that the great cats almost anihilated us about 500,000 years ago was just an illusion. The fact that until about 10,000 years ago there were maybe less than 10,000 humans alive on the planet?

you can publicly laugh at me now, see if I give a shit

Won't it get all clogged up?

By the way, you have no sense of humor...you missed the previous joke entirely.

I probably killed some zephyrs accidentally

Publicly laughing: what do you think I've been doing all night?

keep laughing, have a ball, do i care, no

You replied to it, stupid. And you missed it entirely.

llike I said before, I accidentally killed some zephyrs where you supposedly mentioned this cool joke Blue Devil<aw2s>

This is so much fun!

Oh well, time to go. Somebody update me on what happens next...

wow, you got me, you are cool and intelligent, and I am stupid, give yourself a hand

You replied to the joke that Faisal sent.
Now you missed it?

oh, faisal, how's it going? didn't recognize your user id

don't even assume immortality, assume instant travel, any race which is sufficiently close to human to wind up with humans and the aliens described being similar has to be within approximately 500k years *at* *most* which then makes it a really interesting question of how we were brought here and still managed to be related to all the previous life forms on earth, some as old as 145 million years old...

dan: not everyone has read the book of the subG

Actually, i'd forgotten it. The joke's even funnier now. :-)

like I said, they could have messed around with evolution, or speed it up, or whatever they had to do to help get to the creation of the human species

Also keep in mind that the human race has something like a 20k year special cycle, so species interrelation is *amazingly* tricky

And they sped up the half life of carbon-14 for a while too? And then slowed it down again just for skeptics like us?

what are you talking about?

elaborate

Yeah what are you taking about? I hadn't heard about that.

Or maybe under a different name.

Okay, so they bring us here say, 10,000 years ago, leave 10000 of us sitting in a river valley in mesopotamia, make sure it never *quite* kills us all, leave sparse similar but unintelligent animals around for us to kill off (which doesn't explain who there were humans with toolmaking capability in the americas around 20000 years ago, but anyway) and then deradiate the planet so that carbon dating won't work (along with all the other things that can be used to date things...)

Gotta go...I hope you're keeping a log file Fiz...

not long enough, dammit

explain why carbon dating is a problem here?

yes....but the "similar but unintelligent animals" seem to follow a genetic decendance from the fossilized animals that preceded them.

but not totally, there are some parts of evolution that you can't trace back completely do all the species that led up to it

so I am saying these mysterious gaps could have been filled in by an e.t. source, possibly

carbon dating gives a relatively accurate picture of the timeframe that an object is from, when the carbon 14 in it started to decay to carbon 12 and to fake that you need to be able to construct matter on a sub-atomic level...

No further comment at this time<fj05>

which is not to say that it's impossible, just additional very-very-difficult

I'm back! What happened.

are you (whoever) proposing that the humans of Mesopotamia are NOT related to the quasi-humans that pre-dated them in the African plains?

there are many discussions on the bboards about the accuracy of carbon dating, and it is really not that accurate

Blue Devil<aw2s>

what you don't seem to realize is that it's inaccuracies are on very small orders...nowhere near big enough for your purposes.

no, the "quasi-humans" were helped created possibly with dna manipulation

buzzz, wrong, carbon dating can be more inaccurate than you think, it can be off by thousands of years, which can be vital in certain parts ofd evolution to be knowledgable of

yes...but humas were around over a million years before Mesopotamia......are you saying that the Homo erectus were decended from apee, where the Homo sapieus (sic) are not, and completely foregin to earth?

the problem with the argument is that it becomes a prime example of the cartesian "greater evil being" paradox. sure, if god controls everything, he can make you believe anything he wants, but the reality to you is the reality in question

simply stated: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, in bed."

there is more and more evidence to show that carbon dating of the sphinx and the great pyramid are off by a few thousand years, which of course still remains a huge mystery,

A few thousand years. That IS a small order even if YOUR evidence is to be believed. I.E., even if we believe you and double your estimate, it's still not off by enough.

do you evidence enough to claim that what you know of evolution with this homo- crap is true? No you don't

absolutely nothing

Um, by the way, explain how you carbon-date a rock?

Carbon dating only works on once living material.

no, it is not inisgnificant if you consider that that is how long the egyptians were there

carbon dating takes advantage of the relatively short half life of a carbon. i suppose you could uranium date something, but it would be less accurate....

if the sphinx let's say is found out to be built before the time the egyptians were there (and same with the pyramid), then who built them? All these historians would have to rethink who and how they were built

the sphinx appears to have been erroded, but at the supposed time it was built, there was no water, it was still a desert then

Yes it is, because we don't care how long the egyptians were there--we're talking about aliens seeding life on this planet.

Oh I see. Um, then you would explain the drawings of egyptians building them were hallucinogenic dreams?

I mean serious errosion surrounding the structure

no, we got into the discussion of carbon dating and the importance of being off by "just a few thousand years"

That's not the point. You were telling me that carbon-dating is inaccurate 'cause the carbon dating of the pyramids and the sphinx were off.

but you can't carbon-date either of them...they're made of stone.

And no, we didn't get into the discussion that way.

are you sure about that, that they only use carbon dating on biological items, not just rocks?

carbon dating *theoretically* is very accurate. but not knowing the origin or the past experiences of the carbon you are testing makes it inaccurate.

and you are saying that the carbon dating of evolutionary evidence is accurate

Yes, they can only use carbon dating on previously living things

Yes. Since life on earth is carbon-based.

Anything that was once living can be carbon-dated but nothing else.

what would you classify as "evolutionary evidence"? 0 jizzlobber 0<ch4g>

Nobody tell him that you CAN date rocks...just not by carbon-dating.

We'll never hear the end of it.

there is evidence to show that that is not entirely accurate, and being off by a few thousand years even in the evolutionary process could be crucial

Nobody tell him that you CAN date rocks...just not by carbon-dating.

We'll never hear the end of it.

obviously, if you have ONE piece of carbon, and you test it, this is not conclusive enough. but a wide selection of samples from different areas gives you a better chance.

how is a few thousand years significant to evolution?

It requires a check of beta decay in the rock...but the argument was about the accuracy of carbon-dating.

and if the aliens are as intelligent as we think they are then yes, I suppose they could have fixed everything to fool us up to a certain time when we can figure it out. They don't want us to know about them yet

Oh right. And the earth is only 6 thousand years old but it only seems older 'cause God is playing games with us.

later fools

thats ridiculus. thats like saying that god created the earth and PLACED the fossils to make us *think* it was BILLIONS of years old, when in fact it's only 7000.

not.

I mean later, fools (forgot the comma, oh well)

Is he gone yet?

someone zlocate.

sigh. oh well

I did, hes hidden or not logged in.

Yes

Godel would be proud.

can YOU prove 1+1 = 2? me neither.

Actually he's only zhidden or maybe he's turned off zephyr. 'cause he's still logged into psyche.weh.

so......do we just start with mom jokes now? :)

I'm told he was going on about this all last night too.

He and my roommate would get into arguments last year about crop circles It was fun to watch, at least.

Must remember to change my zsig to "Mr. Zephyr King" as he interpreted my current sig.

being a secular-humanist type.....this sort of argument is sort of moot for me.

anyone read any O. S. Card out there?

Moot, why?

anyone *not* read card out there?
not like he's my favorite writer or anything

Actually i haven't. Sorry...

shut up faisal :)

well.....it seem that if you throw out any physical evidence, then you can suggest that ANYTHIG is possible. this to me seems fundamentally untrue. anything is NOT possible.

but most things are.

it's the Cartesian "greater evil being" problem
if someone has the power to fool you into believing anything, then than they can make you belive anything or, as i said before "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. in bed."

in bed?

sorry, been reading talk.bizarre a bit much lately

Fortune cookie.

Does anyone else see similarities between Perot and Ferengi? the ears and attitude mostly.

no.
i think i'll read about the ufo coverup.

hilarious.
i should leave myself logged in and loggin zephyr more often

fiz wants a log of that discussion...

maybe i'll mail my zephyrlog to him.
would he enjoy that?

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